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Post by Vroom14 on Jun 18, 2015 11:37:46 GMT -5
I'm sure many of you know of the fact that there are 8 Royals in position to start the All-Star Game this July. The only Royal that isn't in position to start is Alex Rios, however he's had a less than stellar season thus far and is in fourth place in voting ahead of more deserving potential All-Stars such as Jose Bautista, Adam Jones, and Yoenis Cespedes. Recently, I discovered an article where a Royals fan claimed to know how to cast millions of votes for players from a single email address. The link is this: www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25217692/royals-fan-claims-to-know-how-to-cast-unlimited-all-star-votesThere was also this article how the voting is broken: www.blessyouboys.com/2015/6/17/8796149/mlb-all-star-game-voting-update-hackedI've tried it out once (the first link) and it seems to work. However, I'm curious what you guys think is deserving to be in the AL and/or NL starting lineups. My personal thoughts for the AL: C: Stephen Vogt; RESERVE(S): Salvador Perez, Russell Martin 1B: Miguel Cabrera; RESERVE(S): Prince Fielder 2B: Jason Kipnis; RESERVE(S): Jose Altuve 3B: Josh Donaldson SS: Jose Iglesias OF: Mike Trout Yoenis Cespedes Adam Jones RESERVE(S): Jose Bautista, Lorenzo Cain
DH: Nelson Cruz; RESERVE(S): Kendrys Morales So, what are your thoughts on who should start the All-Star Game, the current voting process, etc? |
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Post by Nito24 on Jun 18, 2015 11:53:03 GMT -5
I think the Royals are ruining the All-Star Game. Omar Infante is arguable the worst player in the MLB this year, and he's in line to start among other 2B like Jose Altuve, Jason Kipnis, Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler, etc.
AL:
C: Stephen Vogt
RESERVE: Salvador Perez
1B: Miguel Cabrera
RESERVE: Prince Fielder
2B: Jason Kipnis
RESERVE: Dustin Pedroia
SS: Jose Iglesias
3B: Josh Donaldson
RESERVE: Mike Moustakas
DH: Nelson Cruz
RESERVES: Mitch Moreland
OF: Mike Trout
Adam Jones
Yoenis Cespedes
RESERVES: Michael Brantley, Lorenzo Cain, Josh Reddick
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Post by benf604 on Jun 18, 2015 18:34:40 GMT -5
I think the Royals are ruining the All-Star Game. Omar Infante is arguable the worst player in the MLB this year, and he's in line to start among other 2B like Jose Altuve, Jason Kipnis, Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler, etc.
AL: C: Stephen Vogt RESERVE: Salvador Perez 1B: Miguel Cabrera RESERVE: Prince Fielder 2B: Jason Kipnis RESERVE: Dustin Pedroia SS: Jose Iglesias 3B: Josh Donaldson RESERVE: Mike Moustakas DH: Nelson Cruz RESERVES: Mitch Moreland OF: Mike Trout Adam Jones Yoenis Cespedes RESERVES: Michael Brantley, Lorenzo Cain, Josh Reddick Completely agree with all of your selections. The Royals Ballot Stuffing is ridiculous and it wouldn't surprise me if the voting process was changed next year to either in game paper voting only or no fan voting at all. The only Royals player that even comes close to deserving a starting position is Salvador Perez and even that is a stretch. The team may be playing good, but they aren't that good. |
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Post by paulypavilion on Jun 19, 2015 9:37:23 GMT -5
I find the ballot stuffing distasteful and if it's because someone has cracked the process than I am that much more unhappy. Here's how I would and did vote
C: Perez (can make a strong argument for Vogt)
1B: Cabrera (Fielder coming on strong)
2B: Kipnis
SS: Iglesias
3B: Donaldson
DH: Cruz
OF: Trout
Jones
Cespedes
I think plenty of Royals deserve to be on the team, so only a couple of spots are being taken by this, but it just looks bad.
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Post by Vroom14 on Jun 19, 2015 12:49:46 GMT -5
I find the ballot stuffing distasteful and if it's because someone has cracked the process than I am that much more unhappy. Here's how I would and did vote C: Perez (can make a strong argument for Vogt) 1B: Cabrera (Fielder coming on strong) 2B: Kipnis SS: Iglesias 3B: Donaldson DH: Cruz OF: Trout Jones Cespedes I think plenty of Royals deserve to be on the team, so only a couple of spots are being taken by this, but it just looks bad. Yeah, Perez, Gordon, Cain, Moustakas, Hosmer can all make strong cases to be All-Stars. But, whether they're ALL good enough to be starters is the question (Answer: no). |
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Post by rpitcher on Jun 20, 2015 6:28:34 GMT -5
A-Fraud, VoteGate, somewhere Pete Rose is saying, "Why me?"
I'm not overly concerned about the All Snore game, but the broken voting could impact the World Series (home field advantage tied to All Star game, right?)
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Post by dragontrip1 on Jun 20, 2015 21:33:04 GMT -5
How I voted in AL:
C: Stephen Vogt (barely edging out Perez and Russell Martin)
1B: Miguel Cabrera (though Fielder and quietly Pujols are also deserving)
2B: Jason Kipnis (though Pedroia could easily fit here too)
3B: Josh Donaldson (Machado and Seager are the only other possible All-Stars in my opinion, starting or backup)
SS: Xander Bogaerts (I tried to use players with more At Bats, and Semien or Iglesias could make a case as well)
OF: Mike Trout, Yoenis Cespedes, Adam Jones (Josh Reddick, Jose Bautista, Hanley Ramirez are close)
DH: Nelson Cruz (many players have been good, but he has been a great DH)
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Post by cardinals507 on Jun 22, 2015 13:01:01 GMT -5
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Post by Vroom14 on Jun 22, 2015 15:49:05 GMT -5
With the latest AL ballot update, Cabrera regained the lead, Donaldson is very close to Moustakas, and Cruz is within striking distance of Morales. I wouldn't be surprised if the Royals ended up with 5 starters, down from last week's 8. Infante doesn't deserve start still though.
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Post by nate04 on Jun 23, 2015 8:51:10 GMT -5
You guys just don't get it. It isn't about stats with Royals fans and their voting, just like it wasn't about stats when Jeter got voted in above better player year after year. In essence, what the Royals fan are doing, is saying thank you to their team for what they accomplished LAST YEAR.
Clearly, Cabrera has better stats than Hosmer. Although I would argue Hosmer is clearly a better defensive 1st baseman than Cabrera... But Cabrera didn't mash an extra inning game winning home run in the division series last year, or hit a triple off the wall in the wild card game. Hosmer did, and those are the things Royals fans are voting on.
Another case like that is the case with Mike Moustakas. Josh Donaldson (who apparently got 4 million votes in 1 week because of a hockey announcer lol) is a great possibly should be starting... But did Donaldson make a diving catch into the stands in the ALCS? Of course not, cause Donaldson was eliminated in the wild card game last year, by you guessed it, THE ROYALS.
Escobar, Gordon and Cain... Defensive wizards. Made HUGE postseason plays last year. All that needs to be said. Not everything is about offensive stats... Although their offensive stats are not terrible by any means.
Infante... Yeah, I have no case for him. He didn't do much in the postseason last year, and I actually believe he is in 1st because most KC fans believe its a gag of some sort to vote him in the all star game when he probably shouldn't even be starting for the Royals, or any other team in baseball for that matter.
Anyways, you can say the vote is broken, although I think its funny that its suddenly "broken" when one of the smallest markets in baseball run roughshot over the league, but never broken when we see half a field of Red Sox and Yankees every other year in the game. I don't know about everyone else, but I put in my 35 votes for Royals everyday fairly (minus Infante and Rios). Oh, I also put in 35 votes everyday for Nori Aoki too, since he played a part in last year also.
Lastly, weather they "fix" the "broken" system or not, I can almost guarantee this won't happen again. This is literally a once in a lifetime thing, and KC fans realize it and are taking advantage of it as best they can. The magic of last season cannot be duplicated, so neither will the thank you votes of this year.
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Post by Vroom14 on Jun 24, 2015 8:22:11 GMT -5
Interesting point of view, but I would have to politely disagree. Being an All-Star, as far as I'm concerned, is rewarding the best players of the league. When someone votes for an All-Star, they often factor in that season's current stats and past accomplishments. I think, personally, it has and should have nothing to do with how far or well the players played in the postseason. If your logic is correct, then there should be plenty of Giants starting in the NL, correct? Since they won the World Series, unlike the Royals. Their fans would want to "thank" their team for winning their 3rd title in 5 years more than the Royals fans would want to "thank" their team for getting to the World Series.
The Donaldson case you make, I don't think the reason he might not be the starter should be because his team got eliminated in the Wild Card Game by a remarkable rally by the Royals. Escobar, Gordon, and Cain might be good defensively and decent offensively, but there are some way better OF in the AL that are performing much better than Alex Gordon and arguably, Lorenzo Cain. At SS, you could make a good case for Escobar against Iglesias starting, however.
Having Omar Infante start the ASG is personally the breaking point as a baseball fan, because he is having a horrible season so far, and he is taking the spot away from much more deserving players like Jason Kipnis and Jose Altuve. And Morales? Morales wasn't on the Royals last year at all, but he is still ahead of Nelson Cruz, who's having a monster year.
But the voting is broken, and I do think something like this shouldn't happen again. But I don't see the MLB changing it. Perhaps if by the time they announced ASG rosters, there was 8 Royals starting. But Cabrera took back his deserving starting nod, and Donaldson, Cruz, and Altuve are all close enough to take over the starting spots as well. Simply put, I don't think the All-Star Game starters should be decided by a bunch of thank-you's for last year's events in the postseason. It's unfair to the fans, the MLB, and the other more deserving players.
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Post by gregbrotz951 on Jun 24, 2015 17:12:03 GMT -5
Cardinals are doing the same thing in the NL to a lesser degree. How Matt carpenter is way ahead of arenado or Todd Frazier is baffling me. There are other instances where cardinals are way to close to starting than they should be as well
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Post by Vroom14 on Jun 24, 2015 18:08:27 GMT -5
Cardinals are doing the same thing in the NL to a lesser degree. How Matt carpenter is way ahead of arenado or Todd Frazier is baffling me. There are other instances where cardinals are way to close to starting than they should be as well Yeah, I've noticed that as well, but at least it's not as bad as the Royals turnout |
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Post by cardinals507 on Jun 24, 2015 23:19:10 GMT -5
Cardinals are doing the same thing in the NL to a lesser degree. How Matt carpenter is way ahead of arenado or Todd Frazier is baffling me. There are other instances where cardinals are way to close to starting than they should be as well I am biased a little but carpenter got off to a really hot start when voting had just begun. Both Frazier an Arenado though have been better then him so far. Peralta is an obvious choice at short though. It helps to have a ton of Cards fans around. Holliday was on a tear before he got. Hurt but I didn't even vote for him due to lack of at-bats. Wong is deserving of a reserve spot and Yadi is Yadi. Heyward is on a role too now. How Jay is in the top 15 among outfielders though is very weird considering he's having his worst season |
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Post by gregbrotz951 on Jun 25, 2015 9:45:39 GMT -5
Cardinals are doing the same thing in the NL to a lesser degree. How Matt carpenter is way ahead of arenado or Todd Frazier is baffling me. There are other instances where cardinals are way to close to starting than they should be as well I am biased a little but carpenter got off to a really hot start when voting had just begun. Both Frazier an Arenado though have been better then him so far. Peralta is an obvious choice at short though. It helps to have a ton of Cards fans around. Holliday was on a tear before he got. Hurt but I didn't even vote for him due to lack of at-bats. Wong is deserving of a reserve spot and Yadi is Yadi. Heyward is on a role too now. How Jay is in the top 15 among outfielders though is very weird considering he's having his worst season I think if you're talking about all around player (which I believe you should when voting) peralta is far from obvious, can make a strong choice for Brandon Crawford considering his defense. And Holliday has been solid but cutch is still more deserving even now with the injury, he's been on a tear since he's slow start |
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