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Post by guineapirates on Oct 1, 2014 8:58:08 GMT -5
...or are most traders on Huddle completely devoid of logical thought and common sense? I've been trading now in KICK and BUNT for a while and trades generally go well. People understand the value of their cards and fair trades are made. HUDDLE is a complete s***-show. It appears as though no one has any clue as to what the heck they're doing and most trade offers I receive are absolute garbage. I'm expected to grossly overpay while others expect me to basically give away my great cards for their junk.
Am I missing something or is this a common theme with HUDDLE?
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Post by perm1979 on Oct 1, 2014 9:43:55 GMT -5
I get the same garbage on Bunt. I was sending out blind offers before ASgate fiasco and was sending 3-4 elite skill positions for single commons I needed for the set and was getting ignorant messages and poor ratings in return. After the AS were sold out, I threw in the towel.
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Post by fivefive on Oct 1, 2014 10:18:03 GMT -5
Yeah, it is very rare that I receive even a decent offer. People offering up 1 red HS, not even a good points scorer, for my 200 count AS. Oh you have tons of Golden Moments, let me offer you 3 injured/lineman player gold HS that you already have 6 of. Even those are becoming decent offers lately.
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Post by guineapirates on Oct 1, 2014 10:22:23 GMT -5
Some kid was on there asking me for Kuechly and Gronk Sigs, Vereen BB, Luck Vintage and David Strata for his Brady EC. I understand that the EC is pretty rare but come on. It's evident that the card values on HUDDLE are broken beyond repair at this point given the poor distribution of the weekly inserts.
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Post by SCUncensored on Oct 1, 2014 10:41:08 GMT -5
...or are most traders on Huddle completely devoid of logical thought and common sense? I've been trading now in KICK and BUNT for a while and trades generally go well. People understand the value of their cards and fair trades are made. HUDDLE is a complete s***-show. It appears as though no one has any clue as to what the heck they're doing and most trade offers I receive are absolute garbage. I'm expected to grossly overpay while others expect me to basically give away my great cards for their junk. Am I missing something or is this a common theme with HUDDLE? Dude, Bunt was a disaster, especially when it came to the sigs. The amount of cards I had to lock because of the idiots on there was insane.
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Post by guineapirates on Oct 1, 2014 10:43:51 GMT -5
...or are most traders on Huddle completely devoid of logical thought and common sense? I've been trading now in KICK and BUNT for a while and trades generally go well. People understand the value of their cards and fair trades are made. HUDDLE is a complete s***-show. It appears as though no one has any clue as to what the heck they're doing and most trade offers I receive are absolute garbage. I'm expected to grossly overpay while others expect me to basically give away my great cards for their junk. Am I missing something or is this a common theme with HUDDLE? Dude, Bunt was a disaster, especially when it came to the sigs. The amount of cards I had to lock because of the idiots on there was insane. Oh, I'm not saying BUNT is not a disaster itself but at least there I have gotten a greater amount of fair trades than on HUDDLE. I think part of the problem is that the population of players in HUDDLE is significantly smaller than on BUNT and also appears to include more of the scammers/bad traders.
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Post by onegaucho on Oct 1, 2014 10:58:00 GMT -5
so i was going to do a lil write up later on what ive noticed in huddle and kick as im relatively new to both in the past month or so.
the primary issue with both, imho, is the fact that we dont have a proper "value" system as we did in bunt... namely, ebay. at least with the amount of traffic you saw on ebay, you could get a general sense of the "going rate" for a card. didnt mean you had to buy and sell on ebay but it at least provided some baseline or gauge. kick and huddle are severely lacking in any sort of "averaging" for sales so people really have to resort to several variables out there:
scarcity of the card (count) value of points potential (golds, boosts, etc) popularity of the player/team coolness factor of the card (action shots are better, better looking the insert, the better it usually does, ie inception)
the problem is, and this is what i found and dealt with over in bunt even, is that you have a primary "judging" factor in play - and given the fact that since the release of the android version, you have a TON more kids on the app and not necessarily familiar with economics and trends, the system they use to judge the value is "what they paid for it previously".
i often get this "i paid a lot for this card"... ok, so why am i to suffer for your overzealousness? i usually try to counter back with a comment about what i'm thinking in terms of values. 25% of the time it works and we work something out eventually.
trading is my favorite part of the apps and it definitely takes patience as a strong tolerance for the riff raff. thank goodness for that ignore button!
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Post by onegaucho on Oct 1, 2014 11:00:45 GMT -5
of course, on the flip side, if you trade enough (and fairly) you start to develop a nice little "fan base". sometimes i'll get a really nice trade in return like i did yesterday with vintages where they gave me a 200 count card for my 800 ct card simply b/c they got it for free and needed my 800 ct. definitely not the norm but its out there and one of the advantages to trading with folks that stick to the F2P model.
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Post by guineapirates on Oct 1, 2014 11:37:46 GMT -5
i often get this "i paid a lot for this card"... ok, so why am i to suffer for your overzealousness? i usually try to counter back with a comment about what i'm thinking in terms of values. 25% of the time it works and we work something out eventually. That's precisely the problem I ran into with the kid trying to trade the Brady EC to me. The kid had the audacity to say that he wanted MORE than what he paid for it (which was the two sigs and the boost I described above). I told him that I was not interested in what he paid for it or his desire for profit, just a fair trade. He gave me a speech about how low the counts are for Brady and whatnot. I countered with a Poe Trench, which is numbered lower than the Brady EC. I think he got the hint after that. But this is a real problem on HUDDLE. The distribution of weekly inserts is absolutely broken to the point that it will be nearly impossible to collect these for the set awards.
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Post by SCUncensored on Oct 1, 2014 11:59:30 GMT -5
i often get this "i paid a lot for this card"... ok, so why am i to suffer for your overzealousness? i usually try to counter back with a comment about what i'm thinking in terms of values. 25% of the time it works and we work something out eventually. That's precisely the problem I ran into with the kid trying to trade the Brady EC to me. The kid had the audacity to say that he wanted MORE than what he paid for it (which was the two sigs and the boost I described above). I told him that I was not interested in what he paid for it or his desire for profit, just a fair trade. He gave me a speech about how low the counts are for Brady and whatnot. I countered with a Poe Trench, which is numbered lower than the Brady EC. I think he got the hint after that. But this is a real problem on HUDDLE. The distribution of weekly inserts is absolutely broken to the point that it will be nearly impossible to collect these for the set awards. I think you are correct in saying that there is a sense of "broken" releases because the base of players who are buying packs are smaller. Some of the insert releases are being released for larger crowds. Now, they did say they were going to focus more on the gameplay side of things, which is what we are getting in the two black boosts per week, and the game only boosts (which I dont think are necessarily done right either). The bottom line is that everyone is guarding their good cards because of two reasons: 1) uncertainty over the final card counts and also status of the game 2) a lot of new users who dont have bunt experience copy catting from people who do and getting it VERY wrong. There are other contributing factors of course, but yeah. Now I still think that Bunt has a lot more users that make bad trades, but you are correct in saying its easier to get OVERPAID in some offers because there are rabid collectors that can offer a windfall to someone who doesnt have 3000 to spend a month.
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