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Post by TylerFeth on Jul 4, 2014 14:59:01 GMT -5
This offseason isnt that fun for me...or at least my Warriors. All we have is the trade talks for Love which have died down since the draft. Hopefully we can land a few players to help us off the bench. That's probably a good thing, lol. The Dubs already have a solid core, just need to bring in another role player or two. If Lebron signs with Cleveland, I think Love pulls one of those superstar moves that you've seen from Melo and Steve Francis and a few others. I bet he says something along the lines of "I want to go to Cleveland, it's the only place I'll sign an extension". Boom, the price tag on Love drops a lot. Warriors won't give up Klay Thompson for Love since he will probably bolt after one season. Warriors should be trying to trade David Lee for anything he's worth. He's a skilled offensive player, but one of the 10 worst defensive players in the league. They already have Curry guarding the other teams weakest offensive perimeter threat to reduce his chance of injury(those ankles man), they can't afford to play 2 very subpar defensive players together like that. I think Spencer Hawes is a better fit in Golden State than Lee is. Hawes is 60% of the player Love is at 50% of the price. |
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Post by drocklee27 on Jul 4, 2014 15:24:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I do NOT want Gasol. I'm hearing he wants $10 million and OKC could use that many to sign 2-3 veteran role players that are better than Pau. Not sure why you mentioned Bosh, I don't think OKC is even remotely interested in him, plus I don't think they have the money to sign him. I have another pretty sizable post coming shortly so I'll just make this point a separate post. OKC should not go after Bosh. Where would he fit in there lineup? Already have Ibaka at PF and Durant at SF. I guess you could play Durant at the 3, Bosh at the 4, and Ibaka at the 5 for a good small ball lineup but that's not worth the money invested. Tim Duncan is too skilled to be guarded by Chris Bosh. Bosh just hasn't played in the post enough in the last couple years to start spending the majority of his minutes there. Bosh's best fit is Houston(other than Miami if Lebron stays). Howard is in charge of the paint. Harden loves to go to the hole, so Bosh gets to continue shooting open 18 footers like he does now when Lebron goes to the hole. And speaking of Harden, I know OKC fans don't want to hear this and GuineaPirates will love it, but that Harden trade is one of the worst trades in NBA history. I understand that OKC didn't know the how much the cap would go up and that they would be able to afford Durant, Westbrook, Harden, AND Ibaka. But seriously, you know what OKC has turned James Harden into? Jeremy Lamb and Steven Adams. Woof. Harden is the best 2 guard in the NBA right now with Kobe old and hurt and Wade broken down. If James Harden was still in OKC these past 2 seasons and makes the superstar leap that he has, there's probably a reigning 2 time NBA champion in the state of Oklahoma. Sam Presti has done really good job building that team. There draft record is insane. But the Harden trade and the still inexplicable decisions to play Kendrick Perkins cadaver big minutes in playoff games has cost them big time. For the record, both Brooks and Presti have made some pretty awful decisions in the past (See: Jeff Green-Kendrick Perkins trade, Cole Aldrich). Everything can't be perfect all the time, unless you're the Spurs management, lol. |
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Post by drocklee27 on Jul 4, 2014 15:27:54 GMT -5
That's probably a good thing, lol. The Dubs already have a solid core, just need to bring in another role player or two. If Lebron signs with Cleveland, I think Love pulls one of those superstar moves that you've seen from Melo and Steve Francis and a few others. I bet he says something along the lines of "I want to go to Cleveland, it's the only place I'll sign an extension". Boom, the price tag on Love drops a lot. Warriors won't give up Klay Thompson for Love since he will probably bolt after one season. Warriors should be trying to trade David Lee for anything he's worth. He's a skilled offensive player, but one of the 10 worst defensive players in the league. They already have Curry guarding the other teams weakest offensive perimeter threat to reduce his chance of injury(those ankles man), they can't afford to play 2 very subpar defensive players together like that. I think Spencer Hawes is a better fit in Golden State than Lee is. Hawes is 60% of the player Love is at 50% of the price. A few weeks ago, I saw a headline that said Mychal Thompson (Klay's father) that GSW was going to trade David Lee, Klay Thompson, and I think Draymond Green for K-Love and K-Mart. Pure speculation in guessing since it never really had any legs. |
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Post by TylerFeth on Jul 4, 2014 15:46:27 GMT -5
drocklee27 Regarding Howard, I think he's the most disappointing player in the NBA right now. Seriously, he should be the most dominant big man in the NBA since Shaq was abusing guys in '00-'01. Take any one person who doesn't know a thing about basketball. They might have heard of Lebron and Kobe, but they don't know anyone else. That person would look at Dwight Howard and think he was the best player in the NBA. Dude has shoulders as big as the guy guarding him. He just looks so much bigger and more physical than anyone else. Yet his best season is 22.9pts 14.1rbs and 2.4 blocks. That's not even one of Hakeem Olajuwan's 5 best seasons. There are no other dominant centers in the game. How is he not averaging 28ppg? You have an old Tyson Chandler. Brook Lopez is skilled offensively but has injury problems and can't even grab 8 rebounds a game. Andrew Bynum is actually a cat turd with bad hair. I consider Tim Duncan a PF so he is exempt from this. There is ONLY ONE guy to stop Dwight Howard if he wants to take over down low. Joakim Noah. He's the 2nd best center in the game right now and it's all defense and hustle. If Dwight Howard had Noah's drive, he would be the 2nd best player in the NBA behind Lebron and just ahead of Durant. Seriously, he would average 28PPG 15RB and 4BL a game. He doesn't have the drive to be an alpha dog and lead a team to a championship. He went to the Finals once cause the Magic just crushed the Cavs from the 3 point line relentlessly, but that's basically it for Dwight in terms of playoff success. Dwight wants to be the good guy. Everyone has to love him and he can smile and enjoy the fame. He can't handle the stress of having to make alpha dog decisions. He melted in Orlando when things got heated. He even made that lame attempt to tell the fans he wanted to stay in Orlando before forcing a trade to LA. There was too much pressure for him in LA. He was the heir apparent to Kobe in terms of leading the team to multiple titles. He had a back injury, didn't produce, and left after one year. Isn't it weird to think now that 2 years after the trade, Orlando got the best of that trade? At that time, Orlando was giving up a Top 5 player, didn't get back the 2nd best player in the trade(Cat turd Bynum who went to Philly) and came out well ahead of the other teams. Now, Dwight's been in the league 10 years already and he is what he is. He went to Houston where there was much less pressure than LA. The Rockets are James Harden's team so Dwight doesn't have to be Alpha dog. He can play around and average 19 and 11 and be 1st or 2nd team All NBA cause no one else can challenge him in the West. There was a time you thought he could be one of the 5 best Centers to ever play. Now he has no chance at all. His numbers are a notch below Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, David Robinson, Ewing, and a few others. Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, were all putting up serious numbers while having to play against each other! They had young Shaq and Mutombo in the league too! Was a much better class of centers. I just can't get over the fact that Dwight Howard is 85% as good as he should be.
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Post by TylerFeth on Jul 4, 2014 15:56:47 GMT -5
If Lebron signs with Cleveland, I think Love pulls one of those superstar moves that you've seen from Melo and Steve Francis and a few others. I bet he says something along the lines of "I want to go to Cleveland, it's the only place I'll sign an extension". Boom, the price tag on Love drops a lot. Warriors won't give up Klay Thompson for Love since he will probably bolt after one season. Warriors should be trying to trade David Lee for anything he's worth. He's a skilled offensive player, but one of the 10 worst defensive players in the league. They already have Curry guarding the other teams weakest offensive perimeter threat to reduce his chance of injury(those ankles man), they can't afford to play 2 very subpar defensive players together like that. I think Spencer Hawes is a better fit in Golden State than Lee is. Hawes is 60% of the player Love is at 50% of the price. A few weeks ago, I saw a headline that said Mychal Thompson (Klay's father) that GSW was going to trade David Lee, Klay Thompson, and I think Draymond Green for K-Love and K-Mart. Pure speculation in guessing since it never really had any legs. Yeah that was the main rumor as of 2 weeks ago. But if that was going to happen, it would have already. K-Mart is purely a salary dump. He's vastly overpaid and Minny wants out of his contract. That's the second hardest thing about trading for Love(the first being getting him to sign long term). No one in the league is looking to trade for Kevin Martin. You could buy him out but it would be expensive. BTW, if the Cavs go for Love, they (hopefully) won't offer Andrew Wiggins. Offer Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, and 2 number 1 picks. Ours and one from another team I can't remember. You take Martin back in the deal. Cavs can then renounce their rights to Anderson Varejao and then sign him back to a more favorable short term deal to save money now. It's exactly what Miami did with Udonis Haslem. The longer the Wolves hang onto Love, the less value he has. They need to trade him now cause his value will only be lower at the trade deadline. |
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Post by drocklee27 on Jul 4, 2014 16:17:15 GMT -5
A few weeks ago, I saw a headline that said Mychal Thompson (Klay's father) that GSW was going to trade David Lee, Klay Thompson, and I think Draymond Green for K-Love and K-Mart. Pure speculation in guessing since it never really had any legs. Yeah that was the main rumor as of 2 weeks ago. But if that was going to happen, it would have already. K-Mart is purely a salary dump. He's vastly overpaid and Minny wants out of his contract. That's the second hardest thing about trading for Love(the first being getting him to sign long term). No one in the league is looking to trade for Kevin Martin. You could buy him out but it would be expensive. BTW, if the Cavs go for Love, they (hopefully) won't offer Andrew Wiggins. Offer Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, and 2 number 1 picks. Ours and one from another team I can't remember. You take Martin back in the deal. Cavs can then renounce their rights to Anderson Varejao and then sign him back to a more favorable short term deal to save money now. It's exactly what Miami did with Udonis Haslem. The longer the Wolves hang onto Love, the less value he has. They need to trade him now cause his value will only be lower at the trade deadline. Yea, MIN has to move fast if they want maximum value for Love, but their management isn't the best either. I remember one year they drafted three PG's in the first round alone, lol. |
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Post by cardinals507 on Jul 4, 2014 16:56:33 GMT -5
drocklee I saw that up there about Perkins and I wish the Thunder would dump him. I don't like him even though he is a Thunder player. Also not sure why they ever traded Martin unless it was to save money. They never should've traded Harden to begin with.
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Post by TylerFeth on Jul 4, 2014 17:08:22 GMT -5
Yeah that was the main rumor as of 2 weeks ago. But if that was going to happen, it would have already. K-Mart is purely a salary dump. He's vastly overpaid and Minny wants out of his contract. That's the second hardest thing about trading for Love(the first being getting him to sign long term). No one in the league is looking to trade for Kevin Martin. You could buy him out but it would be expensive. BTW, if the Cavs go for Love, they (hopefully) won't offer Andrew Wiggins. Offer Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, and 2 number 1 picks. Ours and one from another team I can't remember. You take Martin back in the deal. Cavs can then renounce their rights to Anderson Varejao and then sign him back to a more favorable short term deal to save money now. It's exactly what Miami did with Udonis Haslem. The longer the Wolves hang onto Love, the less value he has. They need to trade him now cause his value will only be lower at the trade deadline. Yea, MIN has to move fast if they want maximum value for Love, but their management isn't the best either. I remember one year they drafted three PG's in the first round alone, lol. I remember that draft. Minny had back to back picks and took Rubio, who wasn't coming over to play for another year or two. And then they took JOHNNY FLYNN. He had a good career at Syracuse, made it one incredibly crappy season in Minny before hitting the D-league and was out of basketball before his 3rd year would have started. The funniest part is Steph Curry was taken the pick after Flynn. David Kahn has to be like the Candyman in Minnesota. If you go in the bathroom, turn off the lights, and say "David Kahn" 3 times in the mirror, he will show up to draft Wesley Johnson, Johnny Flynn, and Derrick Williams for the rest of eternity. |
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Post by just28 on Jul 4, 2014 17:10:58 GMT -5
From what i heard, Min wanted Thompson, Lee, and another player like Barnes or Green type/ draft picks and the wolves giving Love and Martin. Also heard that GS doesnt want Martin in a deal. For me, i'd like to see Lee, Barnes, and picks for Love but i highly doubt the deal would happen without Clay being in it.
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Post by TylerFeth on Jul 4, 2014 18:59:31 GMT -5
No one trading for Love wants Martin in the deal. I don't see Minny budging though. Martin has 3 years and $21 mil left on his contract. That's the price of trading for a Top 10 player though. Most trades for a Top 10 player require a salary dump to make the trade worth it. Top 10 players are a dollar bill, and the team trading them never gets a dollar bill in return. They get 2 quarters, a couple dimes, and some nickels and pennies. They never get a superstar in return. It forces them, for the most part to rebuild. So they make the other team take an overpaid guy in the trade as well.
In the Dwight Howard trade, Orlando dumped the Jason Richardson and Chris Duhon salaries. Earl Clark too but he wasn't making much.
The Melo trade had Denver dumping Anthony Carter, Shelden Williams, and Renaldo Balkman. An aging Chauncey Billups was also included in this deal but it probably wasn't a full on salary dump. He still had a tiny bit left in the tank.
So yeah, unfortunately trading for Kevin Love gets you Kevin Martin too.
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Post by VIKRAMSL on Jul 4, 2014 19:04:47 GMT -5
Raps signed Lowry. We're set for the year! Heck Yea! |
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Post by drocklee27 on Jul 4, 2014 23:22:19 GMT -5
drocklee I saw that up there about Perkins and I wish the Thunder would dump him. I don't like him even though he is a Thunder player. Also not sure why they ever traded Martin unless it was to save money. They never should've traded Harden to begin with. They didn't give Harden an extension because he wanted too much money, they would have been over the cap. Ibaka agreed to less money. Martin wanted way too much money so OKC tried a sign and trade to at least get a pick in return. I wish OKC had drafted another center in this year's draft. Then they could draft Perkins. |
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Post by TylerFeth on Jul 11, 2014 12:34:33 GMT -5
Boom! Lebron to Cleveland!
I'm sticking with my other guesses too.
Bosh- Houston. I think I beat this story by a day when I posted it here lol.
Carmelo- New York. Money. Should go to Chicago if he wants to compete in the East. Current Carmelo led Knicks can't compete with the Cavs.
Gasol- New York, Will help but handicaps salary cap too much to pair him with Carmelo. Would also be better off going to Chicago if he comes to the East.
Wade- Miami. A lifer who will work for the team(at a high salary) when he retires.
3 super important things mentioned in Lebrons letter(a fantastic way to announce btw)
1. He doesn't expect to win next year. This means he's in it for the long haul and is committed for the long term in Cleveland.
2. This was about more than basketball to him. It was about coming home and raising a family where he grew up.
3. He mentioned being excited to play with a lot of guys....but didn't mention Wiggins or Bennett. Telling sign. Could be a trade coming with the Wolves very soon for Kevin Love. Kyrie, Dion, Lebron, Love, Varejao is far too much for any other team in the East to handle.
The NBA is quite quickly looking like a long term battle between Cleveland and Houston for the next 5 years. OKC and the Spurs will throw their hat in the ring but Houston with Harden, Bosh, Parsons, and Howard is a lot of size and a nightmare to guard. And yes, Houston can get Bosh now and still match Parsons offer sheet if they can dump Lin and Asik(98% done already).
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Post by jakemn on Jul 11, 2014 12:52:23 GMT -5
"Who am I to hold a grudge?" Hahaha Lebron you don't deserve to hold a grudge... If anyone it should be Cleveland that held a grudge and didn't want you back...
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Post by jakemn on Jul 11, 2014 12:53:08 GMT -5
As a wolves can I genuinely hope we trade love to the cavs for wiggins and picks now
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